The Alan Sondheim Mail Archive


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Elfrad-group-request@elfrad.org
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:37:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Elfrad-group Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12
To: Elfrad-group@elfrad.org

Send Elfrad-group mailing list submissions to
 	Elfrad-group@elfrad.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
 	http://elfrad.org/mailman/listinfo/elfrad-group_elfrad.org
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
 	Elfrad-group-request@elfrad.org

You can reach the person managing the list at
 	Elfrad-group-owner@elfrad.org

When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Elfrad-group digest..."


Today's Topics:

    1.  Fw: [ECETI News] Omega-News: TRIANGLE OF LIFE -	Earthquake
       Safety Information (Peg S.)
    2. Re:  Fw: [ECETI News] Omega-News: TRIANGLE OF LIFE -
       Earthquake Safety Information (waro)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 13:03:05 -0400
From: "Peg S." <siriusab@msn.com>
Subject: Elfrad-Group- Fw: [ECETI News] Omega-News: TRIANGLE OF LIFE -
 	Earthquake Safety Information
To: "C Bowman" <cindybouman@comcast.net>, "C... Paulu"
 	<cpaulu@mac.com>,	"Charlotte King" <charking@viser.net>,	"charlie
 	plyler" <cplyler@elfrad.com>, "Driano" <drianoan@yahoo.com>,	"Elfrad"
 	<Elfrad-group@elfrad.org>,	"george noory" <george@coasttocoastam.com>,
 	"Serwold" <solbakken@orcasonline.com>, "Sully"
 	<jjjsullivan@comcast.net>,	"Tobin S." <tps27@cornell.edu>
Message-ID: <BAY11-DAV20EC45A88D638502E66951C1340@phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Some practical, usable info re' safe area inside buildings during quakes. Peg
----- Original Message -----
From: ecetiwebmaster
To: eceti@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:37 PM
Subject: [ECETI News] Omega-News: TRIANGLE OF LIFE - Earthquake Safety
Information



------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->
What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?
Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/TzSHvD/SOnJAA/79vVAA/19XolB/TM
--------------------------------------------------------------------~->



http://omega.twoday.net/stories/308957/
Edited
by Larry Linn for MAA Safety Committee brief on 4/13/04.

My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief
and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International
(ARTI),the world's most experienced rescue team. The information in
this article will save lives in an earthquake.

I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue
teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams
in several countries, and I am a member of many rescue teams from
many countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster
Mitigation (UNX051 -UNIENET) for two years. I have worked at every
major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous
disasters.

In 1996 we made a film which proved my survival methodology to be
correct. The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul,
University of Istanbul, Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film
this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home
with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and
ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival method.
After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the
rubble and entered the buildin! g to film and document the results.
The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly
observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse,
showed there would have been zero
percent survival for those doing duck and cover.

There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people
using my method of the"triangle of life." This film has been seen by
millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe,
and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV
program Real TV.

The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico
City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child
was under their desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of
their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their
desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why
the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that
the children were told to hide under somethin! g.

Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings
falling upon the objects or furniture inside
crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This
space is what I call the" triangle of life". The larger the object,
the stronger, the less it will compact. The less
the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the
probability that the person who is using this void for
safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed
buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They
are everywhere.

It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building.
They are everywhere. I trained the Fire Department of Trujillo
(population 750,000) in how to survive, take care of their families,
and to rescue others in earthquakes.

The chief of rescue in the Trujillo Fire Department is a professor
at Trujillo University. He accompanied me everywhere. He gave
personal testimony:
"My name is Roberto Rosales. I am Chief of Rescue in Trujillo. When
I was 11 years old, I was trapped inside of a collapsed building. My
entrapment occurred during the earthquake of 1972 that killed 70,000
people. I survived in the "triangle of life" that existed next to my
brother's motorcycle. My friends who got under the bed and under
desks were crushed to death [he
gives more details, names, addresses etc.]...I am the living
example of the "triangle of life". My dead friends are the example
of "duck and cover".

TIPS DOUG COPP PROVIDES:

1) Everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE is
crushed to death -- Every time, without
exception. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are
always crushed.

2) Cats, dogs and babies all naturally often curl up in the fetal
position. You should too in an earthquake. It
is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a
smaller void. Get next to an object, next to ! a sofa, next to a
large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next
to it.

3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in
during an earthquake. The reason is simple: the wood is flexible and
moves with the force of the earthquake. If the
wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created.
Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight.
Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause
many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.

4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs,
simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed.
Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes,
simply by posting a sign on the back of the door of every
room, telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom
of the bed during an earthquake.

5) If an earthquake happens while you are
watching television and you! cannot easily escape by getting out the
door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next
to a sofa, or large chair.

6) Everybody who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is
killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls
forward or backward you will be crushed by the
ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in
half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!

7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of
frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the
building).The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump
into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place.

The people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the
stair treads. They are horribly mutilated.
Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs.
The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if
the stairs a! re not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse
later when overloaded by screaming, fleeing people. They should
always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is
not damaged.

8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If
Possible - It is much better to be near the outside of
the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are
from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the
probability that your escape route will be blocked;

9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above
falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly
what happened with the slabs between the decks
of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake
all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed.

They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying
next to their vehicles, says the author. Everyone killed would have
survived if they had been! able to get out of their cars and sit or
lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to
them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across
them.

10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper
offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not
compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of
paper.




Shine






--------------------------------------------------
ECETI - Enlightened Contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence -
Send email to contact@eceti.org
AWESOME BOOKS AND VIDEOS http://www.eceti.org/books.htm "Pass them on
to a friend."


We do not necessarily endorse content on this email and are to be held
harmless for any actions taken on account thereof. It is with this
understanding that the reader will use discernment in determining what
is right and true for them personally. ECETI News is part of the
public awareness and UFO acclimation project of ECETI under the Self
Mastery Earth Institute, a non-profit organization that can really use
your help.

Please vist us on the web at http://www.eceti.org


Yahoo! Groups Links

<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eceti/

<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
     eceti-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com

<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/





-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: /pipermail/elfrad-group_elfrad.org/attachments/20050413/153ef6d3/attachment-0001.htm

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:36:08 +0800
From: waro <waro@westnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: Elfrad-Group- Fw: [ECETI News] Omega-News: TRIANGLE OF
 	LIFE -	Earthquake Safety Information
To: Elfrad <Elfrad-group@elfrad.org>
Message-ID: <425D9ED8.3020903@westnet.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Excellent.....this  valuable information should  be known  to all
peoples, and in particular  school teachers  and government
instrumentalities.

Brian S

Peg S. wrote:

> Some practical, usable info re' safe area inside buildings during
> quakes. Peg
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* ecetiwebmaster <mailto:ecetiwebmaster@yahoo.com>
> *To:* eceti@yahoogroups.com <mailto:eceti@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:37 PM
> *Subject:* [ECETI News] Omega-News: TRIANGLE OF LIFE - Earthquake
> Safety Information
>
>
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~-->
> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater?
> Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good!
> http://us.click.yahoo.com/TzSHvD/SOnJAA/79vVAA/19XolB/TM
> --------------------------------------------------------------------~->
>
>
>
> http://omega.twoday.net/stories/308957/
> Edited
> by Larry Linn for MAA Safety Committee brief on 4/13/04.
>
> My name is Doug Copp. I am the Rescue Chief
> and Disaster Manager of the American Rescue Team International
> (ARTI),the world's most experienced rescue team. The information in
> this article will save lives in an earthquake.
>
> I have crawled inside 875 collapsed buildings, worked with rescue
> teams from 60 countries, founded rescue teams
> in several countries, and I am a member of many rescue teams from
> many countries. I was the United Nations expert in Disaster
> Mitigation (UNX051 -UNIENET) for two years. I have worked at every
> major disaster in the world since 1985, except for simultaneous
> disasters.
>
> In 1996 we made a film which proved my survival methodology to be
> correct. The Turkish Federal Government, City of Istanbul,
> University of Istanbul, Case Productions and ARTI cooperated to film
> this practical, scientific test. We collapsed a school and a home
> with 20 mannequins inside. Ten mannequins did "duck and cover," and
> ten mannequins I used in my "triangle of life" survival method.
> After the simulated earthquake collapse we crawled through the
> rubble and entered the buildin! g to film and document the results.
> The film, in which I practiced my survival techniques under directly
> observable, scientific conditions, relevant to building collapse,
> showed there would have been zero
> percent survival for those doing duck and cover.
>
> There would likely have been 100 percent survivability for people
> using my method of the"triangle of life." This film has been seen by
> millions of viewers on television in Turkey and the rest of Europe,
> and it was seen in the USA, Canada and Latin America on the TV
> program Real TV.
>
> The first building I ever crawled inside of was a school in Mexico
> City during the 1985 earthquake. Every child
> was under their desk. Every child was crushed to the thickness of
> their bones. They could have survived by lying down next to their
> desks in the aisles. It was obscene, unnecessary and I wondered why
> the children were not in the aisles. I didn't at the time know that
> the children were told to hide under somethin! g.
>
> Simply stated, when buildings collapse, the weight of the ceilings
> falling upon the objects or furniture inside
> crushes these objects, leaving a space or void next to them. This
> space is what I call the" triangle of life". The larger the object,
> the stronger, the less it will compact. The less
> the object compacts, the larger the void, the greater the
> probability that the person who is using this void for
> safety will not be injured. The next time you watch collapsed
> buildings, on television, count the "triangles" you see formed. They
> are everywhere.
>
> It is the most common shape, you will see, in a collapsed building.
> They are everywhere. I trained the Fire Department of Trujillo
> (population 750,000) in how to survive, take care of their families,
> and to rescue others in earthquakes.
>
> The chief of rescue in the Trujillo Fire Department is a professor
> at Trujillo University. He accompanied me everywhere. He gave
> personal testimony:
> "My name is Roberto Rosales. I am Chief of Rescue in Trujillo. When
> I was 11 years old, I was trapped inside of a collapsed building. My
> entrapment occurred during the earthquake of 1972 that killed 70,000
> people. I survived in the "triangle of life" that existed next to my
> brother's motorcycle. My friends who got under the bed and under
> desks were crushed to death [he
> gives more details, names, addresses etc.]...I am the living
> example of the "triangle of life". My dead friends are the example
> of "duck and cover".
>
> TIPS DOUG COPP PROVIDES:
>
> 1) Everyone who simply "ducks and covers" WHEN BUILDINGS COLLAPSE is
> crushed to death -- Every time, without
> exception. People who get under objects, like desks or cars, are
> always crushed.
>
> 2) Cats, dogs and babies all naturally often curl up in the fetal
> position. You should too in an earthquake. It
> is a natural safety/survival instinct. You can survive in a
> smaller void. Get next to an object, next to ! a sofa, next to a
> large bulky object that will compress slightly but leave a void next
> to it.
>
> 3) Wooden buildings are the safest type of construction to be in
> during an earthquake. The reason is simple: the wood is flexible and
> moves with the force of the earthquake. If the
> wooden building does collapse, large survival voids are created.
> Also, the wooden building has less concentrated, crushing weight.
> Brick buildings will break into individual bricks. Bricks will cause
> many injuries but less squashed bodies than concrete slabs.
>
> 4) If you are in bed during the night and an earthquake occurs,
> simply roll off the bed. A safe void will exist around the bed.
> Hotels can achieve a much greater survival rate in earthquakes,
> simply by posting a sign on the back of the door of every
> room, telling occupants to lie down on the floor, next to the bottom
> of the bed during an earthquake.
>
> 5) If an earthquake happens while you are
> watching television and you! cannot easily escape by getting out the
> door or window, then lie down and curl up in the fetal position next
> to a sofa, or large chair.
>
> 6) Everybody who gets under a doorway when buildings collapse is
> killed. How? If you stand under a doorway and the doorjamb falls
> forward or backward you will be crushed by the
> ceiling above. If the door jam falls sideways you will be cut in
> half by the doorway. In either case, you will be killed!
>
> 7) Never go to the stairs. The stairs have a different "moment of
> frequency" (they swing separately from the main part of the
> building).The stairs and remainder of the building continuously bump
> into each other until structural failure of the stairs takes place.
>
> The people who get on stairs before they fail are chopped up by the
> stair treads. They are horribly mutilated.
> Even if the building doesn't collapse, stay away from the stairs.
> The stairs are a likely part of the building to be damaged. Even if
> the stairs a! re not collapsed by the earthquake, they may collapse
> later when overloaded by screaming, fleeing people. They should
> always be checked for safety, even when the rest of the building is
> not damaged.
>
> 8) Get Near the Outer Walls Of Buildings Or Outside Of Them If
> Possible - It is much better to be near the outside of
> the building rather than the interior. The farther inside you are
> from the outside perimeter of the building the greater the
> probability that your escape route will be blocked;
>
> 9) People inside of their vehicles are crushed when the road above
> falls in an earthquake and crushes their vehicles; which is exactly
> what happened with the slabs between the decks
> of the Nimitz Freeway. The victims of the San Francisco earthquake
> all stayed inside of their vehicles. They were all killed.
>
> They could have easily survived by getting out and sitting or lying
> next to their vehicles, says the author. Everyone killed would have
> survived if they had been! able to get out of their cars and sit or
> lie next to them. All the crushed cars had voids 3 feet high next to
> them, except for the cars that had columns fall directly across
> them.
>
> 10) I discovered, while crawling inside of collapsed newspaper
> offices and other offices with a lot of paper, that paper does not
> compact. Large voids are found surrounding stacks of
> paper.
>
>
>
>
> Shine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> ECETI - Enlightened Contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence -
> Send email to contact@eceti.org <mailto:contact@eceti.org>
> AWESOME BOOKS AND VIDEOS http://www.eceti.org/books.htm "Pass them on
> to a friend."
>
>
> We do not necessarily endorse content on this email and are to be held
> harmless for any actions taken on account thereof. It is with this
> understanding that the reader will use discernment in determining what
> is right and true for them personally. ECETI News is part of the
> public awareness and UFO acclimation project of ECETI under the Self
> Mastery Earth Institute, a non-profit organization that can really use
> your help.
>
> Please vist us on the web at http://www.eceti.org
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:
>     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eceti/
>
> <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>     eceti-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:eceti-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com>
>
> <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
>     http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>_______________________________________________
>Elfrad-group mailing list
>Elfrad-group@elfrad.org
>http://elfrad.org/mailman/listinfo/elfrad-group_elfrad.org
>
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>No virus found in this incoming message.
>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.
>Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 12/04/2005
>
>



------------------------------

_______________________________________________
Elfrad-group mailing list
Elfrad-group@elfrad.org
http://elfrad.org/mailman/listinfo/elfrad-group_elfrad.org


End of Elfrad-group Digest, Vol 22, Issue 12
********************************************

Generated by Mnemosyne 0.12.